Re: Baldface Snowcat, Jan. 23-26, 2012

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:31 am

This is my first time at Baldface. The Nelson area has the largest concentration of snowcat ski tenures in the world, but Baldface is the largest at 30,000 acres. It is north of Nelson and Kootenay Lake and south of Retallack, where Adam and I skied in January 2000. Weather permitting, access is by helicopter from the Nelson airport
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Heli view of Nelson
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And the west arm of Kootenay Lake.
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One of Baldfaceā€™s distinctions is its friendliness to snowboarders. Owner Jeff Pensiero is a boarder and note the decor on the dining room wall.
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Not to mention this sticker in our cat.
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Early on the first day we saw the top of the elaborate course prepared for the upcoming Red Bull Supernatural event Feb. 3-8. http://www.catskiing.ca/reviews/powder- ... face-lodge .
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Baldfaceā€™s clientele is about 40% snowboarders vs. well under 20% by my observation at other snowcat lodges in Canada. They also rent powder oriented snowboards, which I have not observed elsewhere. There was one snowboarder in our group at Mustang who commented that his own board was not ideal for powder but had no alternative there unlike us skiers.

Baldface runs 3 full cats with 36 customers at a time, same as Chatter Creek. Our Baldface group had 4 snowboarders and also 6 Swiss skiers. The other 2 cats were big groups of repeat customers from Idaho and California.

Most lodge facilities, food and service are comparable to Mustang and Chatter Creek. Baldface does not have a hot tub yet, but may have one as soon as next season.

Jan. 23
My snow expectations were sky high after last week and knowledge that the recent storm while I was in Revelstoke was stronger down here. There were 2 holdover customers from the previous tour who confirmed that opinion. However, overnight there was some fog and a thin ā€˜humidity crustā€ formed on top of the snow. It was very uniform and did not impede skiing as a crust from melt/freeze or rain would. But there was not the billowing smoke of the previous week. Skis or snowboards passing by sounded a bit like a zipper opening.

Ski terrain reaches to but not above tree line like most of the snowcat places in the Selkirks between Nelson and Revelstoke. There are some open stretches like this.
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And some clear cuts like this.
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The clear cuts were about as well buried as those at Mustang and much more so than at Chatter Creek.

Most of the skiing is in the trees, but as I remember from Retallack and CMH Kootenay this region has the most consistent natural spacing of trees Iā€™ve seen anywhere. Lead guide Silas briefing us here.
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One of the weather plots is decorated with a Hawaiian wood carving.
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Loading the cat with scattered trees in background.
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Todayā€™s skiing was 8,300 vertical after the morning transceiver drill.

Jan. 24
The second morning starts similarly to the first. I donā€™t even notice the humidity crust skiing as weā€™re so used to it, but a poke/drag of a pole at our first pickup shows itā€™s still there. Our tail guide Clayton fashions some ā€œnatural ski polesā€ for the benefit of Baldfaceā€™s photographer who is in our cat today.
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Before too long it starts dumping snow around 10AM. Soon the powder is flying and conditions are comparable to last week. One of the more memorable runs is Confirmation, which starts in the trees next to the Red Bull course. Profile near the top shows the steep pitch with a couple of the competition jumps in the background.
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Bottom of Confirmation. There was a nice jump between the 2 riders at left.
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It dumped the whole afternoon. The skiing was epic but in general a point and shoot camera was no match for the weather. Clayton sticks a ~20 footer here though he did lose a pole.
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Thankfully Baldfaceā€™s photographer Jamie did have a camera up to the task and I will add a few of those pics later. We had some unexpected delays (replowing of a collapsed cat road and search for a missing wedding ring) after 3PM and did not have time for a run after that, so finished with 11,300.

Jan. 25
Once again we were teased by the weather. We saw it dumping all evening, but we slept through the high winds in the wee hours. These were not confined to the alpine but penetrated deep into the trees, a relatively rare event seen only once or twice a season. The snow was often densely wind packed, a phenomenon quite familiar to Mammoth skiers. The guides were quite careful to avoid open slopes that were potentially wind loaded. Note wind waves in the open area to the left of the trees we skied here.
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Our guides move to some of Baldfaceā€™s signature tree runs where spacing is so good that skiing is easy even in thicker snow. Bottom of Cheeky Monkey.
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Itā€™s much steeper up higher in this naturally spaced old growth.

Top of Cordless
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Lasagna had the softest snow of the day. I stopped midway down and caught snowboarder Les Saito with his GoPro film pole.
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9,117 foot Mt. Loki on the east side of Kootenay lake is briefly visible during a sunny break.
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One of the Swiss launches a small booter at the end of a run.
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Silas spent quite a while before our last run digging a snow pit.
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Baldface Lodge in background is at 6,300 feet, high within Baldfaceā€™s elevation range and probably the highest snowcat lodge in Canada.

This last run ends in the same clear cut as yesterday morning, now filled in with new snow.
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13,000 total today.
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Re: Baldface Snowcat, Jan. 23-25, 2012

Postby longshanks » Thu Jan 26, 2012 7:12 am

Nice TR Tony...that place looks wicked cool. Have been to Big Red Cats a couple of times but no other...I think I need to add Baldface to my bucket list.
Hey, do you know if Dave (unred.com) Thomas is still a photographer at Baldface?
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Re: Baldface Snowcat, Jan. 23-25, 2012

Postby Tony Crocker » Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:28 pm

I corresponded with Dave when he had the unred web site a decade ago. He is now the facilities manager at Baldface. He did a couple of runs with us Tuesday and was the one who extricated the cat when it got stuck ~3PM.
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Re: Baldface Snowcat, Jan. 23-25, 2012

Postby Staley » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:45 am

Just some general questions. How long are these runs? I'm guessing 1000-2000ft of vert, but not sure. Then, how frequently are you stopping to regroup?

Also, how does the group generally react to delays (like having one bad skier in a group, or searching for a wedding ring)?
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Re: Baldface Snowcat, Jan. 23-25, 2012

Postby Tony Crocker » Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:20 am

How much skiing a group gets is a somewhat complex determination. Mustang highlights its longer hours but in reality that only accounts for about 10% more skiing. This Baldface group did not have a slow skier, and my first 2 years at Chatter Creek also had groups that were comparable in ability to what I've seen at Mustang.

On this trip there were a couple of times where snow blocked the cat from making progress and the extra time probably cost us a run. Yesterday he couldn't get through a wind drift and the guide eventually changed plans and went to a different location. On Tuesday when Dave Thomas had to help out and get the cat through a barrier, that delay pushed us well past 3PM. At that point we weren't going to get another run anyway (quit time is 3:30 as it's January and Baldface is in the eastern part of the Pacific time zone), so they went back to a possible site to search for the lost wedding ring.

Regrouping was slightly more frequent at Baldface than Mustang, but was justified by nearly all the skiing being in the trees. The tree spacing was outstanding but it's still possible to get separated, as I did a couple of times, reaching the cat pickup road out of sight of most of the group.

Staley wrote:Just some general questions. How long are these runs? I'm guessing 1000-2000ft of vert, but not sure.

I think this is the key. Most Baldface runs are about 1,000 vertical. They are tree runs, often quite steep as evidenced by sluffing snow, so no less exciting than last week. But it takes a fixed amount of time to load/unload a cat, and with Mustang runs averaging more like 1,800 that's the main reason why total vertical is much more there.

My experience at Island Lake supports this opinion. On most days in 1997 and 2010 there most runs started in the alpine and continued down through the trees and daily vertical of 16K+ was about the same as at Mustang. In 2003 and 2004 runs did not go much below tree line because lower elevations had crappy snow from previous rain, and one day in 1997 bad visibility kept us out of the alpine. Those days averaged about 12K.

Snowcat skiing is always first about quality. If the best snow is confined to a modest elevation range the groups will want the guides to zero in on that range. This was true even at Mustang last week. The very highest alpine drop at 8,250 had wind affected snow, so the next time we went back there we started skiing from 7,500 where the powder was good.

In another thread someone also commented that most Baldface runs were in the 1,000 vert range and most of that is the local topography. When you're dropped off you look around and nearly everything looks skiable. There's not that much in the way of long traverses and runouts (another reason it's popular with snowboarders) and with most terrain being usable there shouldn't be long cat rides moving from one sector to another. The unusual wind drifting slowed the cat down this week more than would be normal.

Mustang's topography is well suited to longer sustained runs. In both of my tours there the snow has been good over a range of 3,000 vertical feet, and when alpine visibility was bad it was still close to 2,000. Two tours is not an adequate sample size, but Mustang's 550 inch annual snowfall and northerly location should enhance the odds of snow being good over a wide vertical range. I have no doubt this is true relative to Island Lake, but its advantage over Selkirk locations between Nelson and Revelstoke would be more modest.

Baldface did live up to its reputation as one of the top places in terms of the key ingredients of terrain and snow. It was mostly repeat customers, and it included a few who signed up for multiple tours and were staying there a week or more. That degree of loyalty is not an accident.
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Re: Baldface Snowcat, Jan. 23-26, 2012

Postby Tony Crocker » Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:43 pm

Jan. 26
It snowed most of the day, with a low cloud layer. We repeated a couple of the well known runs, Cheeky Monkey and Ghost Bowl, and with the new snow they skied better than the day before. Overall conditions were similar to 2 days earlier, with the new snow blowing around. Vertical was a bit low at 7,600 because of the time the cat couldn't get through the wind drift and because skiing must end by 2PM on the last day (as at Chatter Creek) due to the heli transport back to Nelson airport.

Here are a few of pics of me from Baldface's photographer Jamie on 1/24:
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And some of the better action shots of the group.
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These were not the bluebird photography friendly conditions of Chatter Creek 2008. So Jamie did a nice job of capturing the powder and the action.
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